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BAL Partner Ashley Foret Dees is one of the nation’s preeminent experts on H-2 visas and the founder of the Louisiana State Bar Immigration Law Section. Since 2009, she has been a pivotal asset to corporate employers reliant upon temporary or seasonal workers to secure global talent and remain competitive. We recently sat down with Ashley for a conversation about trends in H-2 visa practice and her experiences as a woman in the profession.
What are your areas of practice?
My specialty is representing employers interested in securing the critical skills of global temporary or seasonal workers through the H-2 visa process. There are two types of H-2 visas: H-2A and H-2B. Both visas permit an eligible U.S. employer or agent to hire a temporary or seasonal worker who is a foreign national. An H-2A visa is used solely for the hiring of agricultural workers, and an H-2B permits the hire of nonagricultural workers.
I also represent clients in family immigration, including defense of removal, asylum cases and DACA.
What’s the difference in processing time between H-2A and H-2B visas in FY2023?
H-2A agricultural visas are much easier — you can turn around the entire filing in 60-75 days. Those are very fast because there’s no cap for H-2As.
H-2 B visas are so different, especially this year. We remind employers that nowadays they have to back up their program timeline if they want to apply for an H-2B. Prevailing Wage Determinations are now taking an extra 45 days, which is long. That backs up the timeline to April 15. So, when people call in July and say, “I’d like to talk about October H-2B visas,” it’s like, “Well, we can talk about next year’s October visas.”
What other hurdles are employers interested in H-2 visas encountering?
The majority of employers who utilize the H-2A and H-2B visa programs are small businesses trying to leverage themselves into a really complicated federal visa program. Most small business owners don’t have a grasp on what opportunities are available for employers and find the process intimidating.
What questions are H-2B employers asking about this year’s lottery?
Everyone also wants to know about strategy right now. They’re interested in moving start dates, trying to get a supplemental visa number from one of the special reserved countries, and what to do if they’ve got such a bad position in the lottery their staff won’t be able to arrive this year. I help employers strategize, predict and find solutions within the H-2 program.
Can employers with preexisting immigration programs leverage H-2 visas as a mobility strategy?
There are some entities, like hotels, that should consider H-2s and other visa programs in combination with their existing programs. Hotels could mix having a J-1 trainee program with an H-2 visa program, and then move some of those workers into PERM status. I think there are a lot of industries out there that have a peak need to supplement their staff.
What interested you in immigration law as a field of practice?
The Catholic Charities (CC) in my area of Louisiana ran a very large refugee resettlement program that needed an attorney who spoke Spanish. My introduction to immigration law was doing asylum work with CC, which continued after graduation. Since there were no other practitioners in my area of the state practicing immigration law, I hung a shingle of counsel to a firm in 2009 — and opened my own practice in 2013.
What attracted you to becoming a partner with BAL and relocating your entire team to the firm?
I run a global practice, and my client employers are all over the country. It was an opportunity I couldn’t pass up — to leverage BAL’s advanced technologies and resources and continue to expand my H-2 practice much faster than I could on my own.
BAL is award-winning when it comes to advancing the status of women attorneys in the profession. How important was that to you when you were considering joining BAL?
So important. I think BAL having such diverse partners, attorneys, staff — and particularly women — is awesome.
Most of my clients are men. The interaction with women partners and attorneys is so crucial to my growth, learning and understanding of balance in my own life. And I think women immigration attorneys — and women attorneys in general — are such a powerhouse.
Ashley Foret Dees is a partner with BAL and a leading national expert and strategist in the areas of H-2A and H-2B employment visas. She has over a decade of experience representing clients in agricultural, seafood, hospitality and other industries. Ashley is a regular speaker on H-2 visa topics at the American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) Annual Conference and AILA Mid-South Chapter, and previously served on the AILA National Pro Bono Committee. She is also a member and former H-2 Visa Chair of the AILA Department of Labor Liaison Committee. Ashley is fluent in Spanish and founded the Louisiana State Bar Immigration Law Section, which she chaired for several years.
The state of Connecticut is celebrating another NCAA basketball championship, but its U.S. senators are lamenting a broader problem in college sports.
Two weeks ago, Sens. Richard Blumenthal and Chris Murphy, both Democrats, wrote a letter to Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas urging him to address current regulations that make it difficult for foreign student athletes to capitalize on their Name, Image and Likeness.
Blumenthal and Murphy noted that both the University of Connecticut’s men’s and women’s basketball teams had international players who made “significant contributions” this year (Blumenthal later mentioned Adama Sanogo and Aaliyah Edwards specifically), and added that, nationwide, more than 20,000 international students currently compete in collegiate athletics.
“As these athletes compete in their sports’ national championships and other high-profile competitions, any one of them could gain notoriety overnight and have substantial NIL opportunities presented to them,” the senators wrote. “The only thing standing in their way is our outdated regulations on the terms of their visas. This is unacceptable.”
We agree.
The problem stems from the fact that most foreign student athletes are on F-1 visas, which permit work only in limited circumstances. In this context, “work” is often equated with earning money from a U.S. source.
As Blumenthal and Murphy correctly note, current regulations do not “speak to the unique circumstances” of foreign students’ use of their NIL to earn money. This creates two classes of student athletes—U.S. athletes who are able to take any NIL deal they are offered, and foreign athletes who could jeopardize their immigration status for doing the same thing.
There are some workarounds. For example, foreign student athletes can conduct NIL activities while outside the U.S. Others have been successful in converting from an F-1 to an O-1 visa (for individuals with outstanding abilities) or P-1 visa (for athletes, artists or entertainers), which would allow them to work, attend class and participate in their sport.
Neither is a satisfactory long-term solution, however. There are logistical challenges to going abroad, and legal costs and filing fees make applying for a different visa an unattractive option for many student athletes.
A sensible solution would be for DHS to turn to the B-1 Temporary Business Visitor visa as a model. B-1 visitors are barred from “performing skilled or unskilled labor” in the U.S. However, the government has issued rules and guidance regarding a range of business-related activities that are considered permissible (i.e., not “labor”), such as engaging in certain commercial transactions, consulting with business associates, traveling to conferences, short-term training and negotiating contracts.
Even professional athletes can use B-1 visas to participate in tournaments or sporting events if they only receive prize money, which, for some sports, can mean earning millions of dollars.
There is no reason DHS cannot do the same for F-1 international students. After all, they are—first and foremost—students, and most NIL deals are worth far less than the amounts professional athletes can receive competing in multiple tournaments or events.
Many NIL activities require very little of the athlete and may include signing autographs, making personal appearances or posting on social media. These activities are merely incidental to visa holders’ status as student athletes, which requires them to maintain a full course of study. This kind of approach would allow international athletes to secure NIL deals and carry out their end of the bargain in the U.S.—not outside the country.
To date, DHS has not engaged relevant stakeholders on this issue and appears to lack a true understanding of the NIL opportunities available to students. It has been nearly two years since the NCAA adopted its NIL policy, and the government has yet to issue any guidance.
The good news is Blumenthal and Murphy appear to have grabbed Mayorkas’ attention. At a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing last week, Mayorkas thanked Blumenthal for the letter and said he had not previously been aware of the issue.
“We are indeed looking at the issue very carefully,” he said, adding, “We will move with deliberate speed … we will move as quickly as we can.”
Until then, the two-tiered system of college sports will continue. DHS, the ball is in your court.
Gabriel Castro is a Senior Associate at BAL who leads the firm’s Los Angeles office and Sports and Entertainment practice. Tiffany Derentz is a Senior Counsel at BAL who leads the firm’s Washington, D.C. office. She is a member of the firm’s Government Strategies and Sports and Entertainment teams. Castro and Derentz authored a white paper on the NCAA’s NIL rules in 2022 and appeared on a recent episode of the firm’s podcast to discuss the issue.
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BAL Senior Associate Cecilia Lai will speak on a panel about EB-1A/Bs, NIWs and O visas on Friday, March 31, at the Spring Conference of the Texas Chapter of the American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA). We recently sat down with Cecilia to discuss these topics.
Both EB-1A and EB-1B petitions have always faced high scrutiny and must establish that the individual is internationally recognized as extraordinary or outstanding, resulting in a subject evaluation by USCIS adjudicators.
It can be difficult to manage expectations for both the beneficiary and employers due to inconsistent adjudications or a lengthy Request for Evidence (RFE) or Notice of Intent to Deny (NOID) from USCIS. The premium processing cases have a higher likelihood of receiving NOIDS that can be difficult to overcome, especially because you are only provided 30 days to respond. We have seen more successful outcomes when USCIS provided extensions for responses to NOIDs as part of COVID-related flexibilities when individuals were able to take advantage of the additional time. However, the flexibilities recently expired and will not apply for RFEs or NOIDs issued on March 23, 2023, and later.
Employers can use O-1s as a last resort to prevent the loss of work authorization for employees such as F-1 students who had no luck with the H-1B lottery or individuals in H or L who are maxing out on their time. When employers are faced with seeing individuals need to relocate from or leave the U.S., they should consider an O-1 visa, so they don’t have to transfer the individual outside the U.S., which can be costly, or worse, completely lose the talent.
The employer needs to have an appetite for risk and patience for the hiring process. O-1s are evidence heavy and highly subjective, so that can mean delays in hiring, especially if USCIS issues a Request for Evidence. We typically walk BAL clients through the evaluation for the O-1 to manage expectations for any risks of delays or denials, especially for highly sought candidates. Also, the approval rate for O-1 visas is quite high, generally between 80% and 95%.
Outside of the traditional occupations for O-1s, such as researchers, scientists, and artists and entertainers, most people don’t think about O-1s for business or other roles. While it’s true there are three criteria to meet — temporary nature of the role, demonstrated extraordinary ability by sustained national or international acclaim, or a record of extraordinary achievement in the motion picture industry — there is one that is a “catchall,” and that is “any other comparable evidence that shows someone has extraordinary ability.” This is an area that you can let the creative juices flow.
I first started in entertainment law while still studying for the bar when our family friend, who manages a native Dallas rapper, introduced me to an entertainment lawyer who needed assistance. But immigration law was probably my destiny. My maternal grandparents first came to the U.S. from China. My mother met my father when he was a foreign exchange student from Hong Kong studying in the U.S. When I finished law school, my family and friends were always turning to me for immigration advice. They wanted someone they could trust even though I didn’t yet have immigration law experience. So I made the switch from entertainment law to immigration law.
What’s really rewarding about immigration versus entertainment is you see things through to a resolution. You work with individuals who have a dream and dreams for their families, and you experience the positive impacts firsthand. With entertainment law in Dallas, there is seldom a “resolution.” We set up the client’s company and contracts, and things just don’t move forward or the client moves to L.A. for more opportunities. However, I am still involved in the industry as a legal advisor to the Asian Film Festival of Dallas and served as its executive director recently.
Cecilia Lai is a Senior Associate in BAL’s Dallas office. Cecilia previously handled immigration for one of the largest tech companies in the world. Currently, Cecilia works with multiple clients in the advertising and biotech industries. She finds innovative ways to effectively manage the companies’ immigration needs for foreign national employees in the United States. Cecilia has worked with the clients’ lead stakeholders to create a competitive immigration program in multiple industries and find solutions to talent acquisition and retention that align with their business goals. She finds innovative solutions during a time of fierce competition for STEM talent and a highly fluid immigration policy environment.
BAL Senior Associate Matt Dillinger spoke about H-1B visas on Friday, March 31, at the Spring Conference of the Texas Chapter of the American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA). We sat down with Matt to discuss his work on H-1Bs and more.
We will discuss best practices for prepping for the 2024 cap season, new occupational codes used for H-1Bs, and how to handle employees in licensed professions. We will also discuss scenarios that require special considerations and creative legal arguments to successfully gain work authorization approvals.
There is a provision that allows people to extend their H-1B beyond the six-year maximum period if they have an approved immigrant petition but no green card is available. This is especially common for Indian and Chinese nationals for whom priority dates are significantly backlogged. But after the significant advancement of priority dates in 2020, many H-1B employees were no longer clearly eligible for these extensions, as they may have moved employers and thus not been able to file a green card application despite having been current for more than one year. Employees in this situation require a unique approach in order to continue to extend their status.
Many employers believe that when they file a change of employer petition for an employee, they must wait for approval by USCIS. But technically that employee can start working for a new employer as soon as the petition is received by USCIS. In the past, both employers and employees have shied away from doing that because Request for Evidence and denial rates were much higher. However, we are now seeing fewer RFEs and denials, so employers are becoming more comfortable allowing employees to start work before receiving final approvals. The same goes for employees.
Even experienced I-9 people might not know that there are special rules that make it possible to hire on receipt. Also, technically, employers don’t even need the formal USCIS receipt notice. You can submit I-9 paperwork based on the change of employer petition filing, proof of payment and proof of delivery.
I like things to be as clear and concise as possible. My approach is to provide a clear assessment of any risk I see, while also providing practical solutions or strategies, and minimizing the complexity of the situation, so the client feels confident moving forward.
I have always enjoyed learning languages and studying other cultures, so the international aspect of immigration law appealed to me. I find immigration law to be extremely rewarding. I feel good at the end of each day because I get to help my clients, help their employees and employees’ families and, in doing so, I believe I am making the United States a better place.
Matthew Dillinger is a Senior Associate in the Austin office of BAL. His practice focuses on developing and implementing creative strategies to meet the needs of his clients. He has worked with clients from a wide range of industries, including telecommunications, information technology, fintech consulting, higher education and healthcare, Matt believes strongly in pro bono work and has represented pro bono clients in DACA, U visa and asylum cases. In addition, he has served on the Leadership Board of the National Immigrant Justice Center.